The reformed Pagan religions are usually pretty nice. No female temple holders. Ironically, the low technology is a greater issue after the adoption of feudalism, as feudal realms require higher tech for the construction of buildings. AI rulers are less likely to start wars, plots and factions. But later, feudal realms grow their income more quickly, while raiding becomes less feasible as targets consolidate. Totally fine for religions without 30% levy bonus, but if you want to expand then other natures are better. But you're right, in some situations it's really powerful. Patron Deities, Ancestor Worship. The "too short ruler" penalty can be brutal if You don't have a majesty level high enough. The Orthodox Pentarchy is also fun. If gender flexibility is desired, Ancestor Veneration can be chosen for Eldership succession. Enatic-cognatic law is available. With bad technology. Reforming the religion will cause a schism in the pagan faith. Can proselytize in pagan capital even when tribal or nomad. I like Buddhism because the combination of concubinage and heir-nomination means you can end up with an unbroken line of Strong Genius rulers if you play the genetics game well, but unfortunately they're lousy at expansion. a situation/mechanic that doesn't resemble real life in any meaningful way. The only realm following this faith is the Zunbil Satrapy in western Afghanistan. Another approach is to try new mechanics (to pick Haruspicy, Animism, Veneration) or to add useful abilities to existing faiths (e.g. Reformed religions gain access to holy wars, usable on any target of a different faith (including other pagans). Once your a blob as the Roman Empire, you can stamp out any realm only with retinues/holy order and need not raise vassal levies, making civilized doctrine kind of useless). So if you like seeing dukes in the middle of other kingdoms take distant kingdoms and break out of their vassal king resulting in non stop dejure wars and infighting, then sure prepared invasions are for you (masochist). What, in your opinion, is the best handgun? Totems and Dievas have that good succesion law going for them. This means you may invade territory held by another faith, but still gain the defensive bonus so long as the battle takes place upon land of your faith. If it doesnt then Children of Perun is tier 3 really, nothing cool in it, I think it was specifically designed to sail rivers around Russia. Fleet can navigate through major rivers, but maintenance cost remains full. Nature: Peaceful ( you will rule a massive empire as a Roman and will mostly have Vassal Kings. Animistic effects. The reformer's courtiers at home, dynasty members, and vassals will always follow in the reformation if they are below playable tier. Raiding unavailable if culture doesn't allow raiding. Great Holy War against a single disfigured child. Levy size & attack bonus from unreformed Tengri faith will be lost. Feudal rulers bordering rivers will eventually increase their fort level to the point that Germanic pagans can no longer navigate those rivers. For feudal pagans, reforming makes it possible to raise crown authority to any level. Pagans may fight back in the name of the old gods, and even seek to eliminate the monotheists from Europe. The pagan homeland attrition penalty does not function, however, against other unreformed pagans. It has its downsides because it makes AI more aggressive and incompetent AI can tank our MA very hard. Reformer becomes the first religious head. AI rulers will try to convert their provinces. Holy sites: Novgorod (shared with Suomenusko), Kiev, Plock, Birlad, and Rugen (shared with Romuva). actually that "pagan" religion in game is just the generic pagan religion that all pagans had before the "old gods" expansion. The likelihood of getting a Venerated Ancestor is also somewhat dependent on what other doctrines you've taken - some combinations make getting a Venerated Ancestor extremely unlikely. The Slavic faith is followed, as the name suggests, by the Slavic peoples of Europe. The first thing you will choose is one Nature. Gurus. Foreign rulers will sometimes send missionaries. And the Indian religions. Questions, Paradox Rulers can order subject to Take the Vows, disqualifying them from succession. you proselyte by sword, not by word. Sons of Ragnarok is combination of two bad doctrines, if we dont pick it, we will still retain ability to have viking trait and coastal county conquest cb, however, we will lose river sailing and prepared invasion ability which we dont need later in game ( and AI can close rivers for us by having enough fort level in river counties). Rulers do not receive opinion penalties for raised vassal levies. Most pagans may raid neighboring provinces (and coastal provinces, if ships are available) for loot and prestige, even without a tribal government (which majority of the pagans are). Also, your heir will very often be past childbearing age by the time they take the throne which, combined with the fertility debuff for unlanded characters is recipe for trouble and at best costs you the genius traits in many generations. Germanic faith is the faith of Scandinavian & Saxon people, worshiping deities like Odin/Wotan. Charlemagne starts I tried so far seem to be financially starved, since it takes forever to get the basic naval tech and start raiding proper. I find one of the most boring parts of Pagan games is that theres no other friendly or same religion nations, pagan games often end up just being your country vs the world in holy wars. Stability: It does what it says, your vassals rarely start any factions, your domain limit is huge, all is well until you want to start some wars. AI rulers only try to convert provinces if zealous. Romuva is the faith of the peoples on the east coast of the Baltic Sea, worshiping such deities as Dievas, Perkunas, and Laima. Tier 1: No changes here from previous list. The African faith is followed by the peoples of sub-Saharan Africa. [1] These are not immediately obvious before reformation, or even immediately upon reformation. I enjoy and make videos of strategy games, RPGs, and more usually in the form of crazy challenge runs, character roleplaying, or other ways to spice things up. Harmonious expands our pool of talent but makes it harder to stack bloodlines due to disallowed cousin incest. Table View Card View Holding the Blood Games in the Grand Amphitheater grants an additional 200 Prestige. Priests cannot marry and cannot inherit. With Holy Fury, the Hellenic and Bn faiths can be reformed. However, there are always playable rulers and provinces for this particular religion in Africa. However, you may convert to an organized religion and change the succession law to the more useful (regular) gavelkind. Ancestor Worship decision available. Each one can only occur at a certain, and different, time each year. Bn (Bon) is an indigenous religion of the Tibetan plateau, added in patch 2.8. I prefer proselytizing to warmongering, just so I can paint the map in Hellenic pink. Generic Tengri paganism allows for more levies. Hellenic paganism was the faith of the Greco-Roman world before the rise of Christianity. Incompatible with Agnatic Clans, Harmonious, Equality, Polygamy and Meritocracy doctrines. "Converting" for a day so you can join a society seems pretty gamey to me - i.e. Women can take up to 3 consorts. Stability is in fact quite helpful and has nice synergies, but I wouldn't pick it standalone. Ancestor Veneration A for Power, A for Fun, Bloodthirsty Gods B- For Power, A for Fun, Stability/Children of Perun (Slavic)/Survivor of Ukko (Suomenusko). - can ask the leader of this realm to help convert the tribal leader's realm to the organized religion.Benefactor needs to be non-tribal, non-nomadic, non-theocracy (so you can't ask Pope for mass conversion . There are better options for mix-maxing/efficient play. The Slavic faith is almost gone in the 1066 starting date, and the faith disappears from the world entirely by 1200. Inbreeding can be offset with concubines/polygamy. Great work!!! Sky Burials. =/. Messalianism because it's the single most outlandish religion in the game. Ilmen is also surrounded primarily by weak Suomenusko and Romuva pagans and is shielded by an ocean from the Norse until the Viking Age event triggers, giving plenty of time to solidify power. The lack of a formal religious tradition means that pagans have a harder time spreading their faith outside pagan lands. I've gained several kingdoms w/o trying to; I was just trying to get their bloodlines in my main line. Proselytizing allows for faster conversion and you can also try to convert AI leaders with your court chaplain/diviner (or whatever the position is called). As I said in OP, if you are Roman Emperor you cannot designate heir for your top tittle. Penalties As for best leadership, it depends. A religion's nature determines its attitude toward warfare and religious conversion. Proselytizing: I will be honest, I never picked it. It got to the point where I was raiding not based on gold or number of holdings or artifacts or anything like that, but simply based on the size of the ruler's court; I figured it would give me more chances to capture folks for the sacrifices. No females in the council. BTW, excommunications make king viceroys actually viable and not a PITA: you can excommunicate, arrest and execute a king viceroy whenever you like it, and appoint a new one. Sometimes simple solutions are the best. It has synergy with Agnatic and Enatic doctries, giving us new CB for Patriarchal and Matriarchal depositions. You can use the Germanic faith's powerful CBs and shipbuilding buffs for expansion and raiding, then be succeeded by a Slavic ruler and reform. It is really painful to expand with CBs at our disposal as Peaceful religion. This severely slows down early-game conquest of the typically smaller, fractious pagan realms by expanding Abrahamics. The gavelkind succession law will remain even if you return to an unreformed pagan religion later. Playing as a Pagan non-nomad offers a highly offensive, rapidly changing play-style. Yea i know all that, and i never said i liked it. Holy wars and great holy wars are unavailable, but County Conquest CB is available. Example: Your sister matri marries some guy from Ashina dynasty, they have a daughter for example, all you have to do is to matri marry her to your male heir. When you finally select to reform the religion, you will have to choose from many Natures and Doctrines which ones will represent you. Unlocks Raiding if unavailable (eg Hellenic). Enatic-cognatic law is available. Unyielding also reduces AI aggressiveness, which can be a negative if you want your AI vassals to attack/invade your enemies for you. Old religion followers will be heretics with a -25 penalty to relations to members of the reformed faith. Dogmatic: See above. I've played as African pagan a lot since HF dropped and I'd never ever take TG over AV. C. Civilized/Religious Tax: The best Doctrine you can possibly pick. In addition, all pagan faiths can be reformed. Partially redundant with Children of Perun doctrine. This gives me some new options to consider. Even as Catholic I would land my kin (I tried to do that as Muslim and learned the hard way via decadence revolts to never do it again). Please help with verifying or updating older sections of this article.At least some were last verified for version 3.0. Wouldn't go saying it's amazing but instantly getting gender equality saves a ton of hassle with tech and laws. Havent seen many posts about reforming the Bon religion. Right now before I will be able to even convert rest of my provinces, they already do it.*. If that was the case, simply raising levies, toggling looter and waiting will remove the prestige penalty. It has synergy with enatic/agnatic or meritocracy, after 9 successful boosts for close family relative we get a bloodline. Meritocracy is just delayed open succession after we get to Primogeniture law. Daring is a good way to lose moral authority because AI is incompetent, and we as a player will need prepared invasion only once (maybe twice). Unyielding: This would be my number one if I had to chose. Also Temporal gives u cool(gives tons of piety and prestige per month) lvl 4 artifact . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. + Bloodthirsty Gods, Seabound, Unrelenting. "Offensive" pagans get a bonus to their levy size (+30% levy size for Germanic, for example). You finally conquered all the holy sites and can reform your pagan religion in Crusader Kings II (CK2), but there are so many choices now that you just need to look up what everything means. However, the religion's holy sites are scattered far and wide making reformation very hard. Hellenism (Priests cannot marry and cannot inherit), Incompatible with Religious Tax and Civilized doctrines, Incompatible with Sons of Ragnarok doctrine. Funny thing about equality is that you can give consorts to your wife hehe. They are only playable in the 769 bookmark unless Ruler Designer is used. Generic Paganism and Hellenism, obivously. I feel it is a waste of slot and good for role play only. Also you can give away the title, the best way would probably be as a viceroyalty. JavaScript is disabled. Now that you have no fast way to expand through pagan lands, you may wish to convert to a culture that allows use of the Tribal Invasion CB, so you can quickly expand through infidel lands instead. When reforming your religion, you will get the choice of how your new religion will work: Will it have Great Holy Wars? Pagan Religion Reformation Advice. Eldership Succession law is available, Bloodthirsty Gods + Seabound + Unrelenting, Rulers do not receive opinion penalties for raised vassal levies + Syncretism + Meritocracy. Defining features in-game: Low-tech non-pagans have very low Supply Limit in Pagan counties. Hierocratic/Autocephalous is also doable but the religious head can be a real moron and not call GHW as soon as it becomes available. Ilmen in 769 already holds Novgorod as its capital, is a decently strong start, and has the advantage of being able to flip to Russian culture once the faith is reformed, allowing the acquisition of the "Russkaya Pravda" achievement. Hellenic Paganism : A. Also unrelenting is heavily underrated. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The last playable Slavic ruler is Chief Testislaw of Dyrmin. Holy Sites: If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion, it is lost. Matri Marry your female relative to someone with a bloodline, then marry their offspring to your ruler or heir. Standard stuff for defensive pagans. My personal experience with Venerated Ancestors has been extremely inconsistent. Unrelenting also ignores unreformed pagan attrition but we can easily overcome it with tech later in game. * Your mileage may vary. Leadership. B. Doctrine 1: Polygamy: To make best use of Imperial Succession, having loads of wives is good as you can pick the best heir one of them pops out. But if you want to expand, Unyielding is not that useful . It is not normally playable (even with Ruler Designer), but can be played using mods or by exploiting loopholes. Sometimes simple solutions are the best. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Priests cannot inherit. Partially redundant with Sea-Bound doctrine. Basically we attack opposite gender ruler, depose him/her and force our gender law on their realm. Bn rulers are playable with either Jade Dragon, The Old Gods, or Holy Fury. Access to Hermetic society (but Hermetics still suffer -10 temple opinion). Holy Fury Pagan Reformation Tier List & Discussion. Autonomous leadership bonus for an attribute depends on original pagan religion. With , reformers can decide doctrines for the reformed faith. 1. I rank Ancestor Veneration as tier 1 because of the eldership succesion it provides, sainthood is just nice bonus for it. Absolute cognatic succession is enforced. A generic Pagan faith is used in the history files to represent everyone from pre-Christian Irish kings to pre-Islamic Arabs. What options do you think is best for each, norse, slavic, tengri, etc? Zunist mechanics are a hybrid of defensive/offensive pagans and organized religions. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. For tribal pagans, reforming makes it easier to raise tribal organization. Some Religions (Germanic) keep +30% Levies when they reform and will only loose it through unyielding. +5% Morale of armies. If dawnbreakers would have divine marriage paired with something else than polygamy it would be tier 1. You also have to remember the example you've given is a really fringe situation exploiting several mechanics. Defensive pagan holdings also have larger garrisons (bonus varies per religion), making them harder to siege. However, it only applies to the homeland, and pagans have difficulty converting provinces due to low. your character tries to convert them personally, like carousing or something). Reforming also provides access to the full set of feudal succession laws. It is important to quickly convert vassals who still follow the old faith due to the large opinion penalty. The default succession law for tribal unreformed pagans is elective gavelkind. Having young concubines (below the age of 45) gives a monthly prestige gain, which is especially useful for tribal and nomadic pagans. Pagan religions may gain a religious head and a Great Holy War (Crusade CB) if they reform. . I might make a post in the future on how I think all the religions and doctrines could be improved/fixed to make them viable for both Fun and Power, but Ive written enough for now. PegaluxX. I will explain at the end of paragraph. I wish it was more interactive (e.g. (Such as reconquering Slavic lands as a Slav from Christians.) All units gain 80% to defense when fighting enemies in a province of the combatant's religion. Eastern Orthodoxy, Miaphysite Christianity, Allows sacrifice of thralls captured in raids, Allows sacrifice of courtiers to read entrails, Once per decade interpretation of stars by religious head or court chaplain if none exists, Education improvement synergy and Meliorism improvement synergy. 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